In this episode of "Histórias do Porto", journalist Carlos Rico talks to historian Joel Cleto.

Read an extract from the article here (available in Portuguese), or listen to the full episode here (available in Portuguese).

“Histórias do Porto” is an Expresso podcast supported by Católica Porto Business School — a natural fit for the School, which has been part of the city’s history for almost four decades and helps to create stories that make an impact, both in Porto and around the world.