In this episode of Histórias do Porto, journalist Carlos Rico speaks with Jorge Ricardo Pinto, geographer at ISCET, and José Rio Fernandes, geographer at the Faculty of Arts and Humanities of the University of Porto and specialist in spatial planning.

Listen to the full episode here (available in Portuguese).

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